BARE Face Podcast

Nothing will slow down the aging process faster than wearing sunscreen every day. Sunscreen only lasts eighty minutes and it needs to be reapplied. Why would skincare be making someone's face worse? The girls who just love love to go shopping at Sephora and just grab stuff and they're just excited to try a new product, typically strip their barrier so bad that their skin is like in freak out mode. What is a product that people are buying and it's just burning money. Vitamin C. If you are not buying a good quality vitamin C, you're just buying a fancy bottle. So once it's exposed to light, water, air, it's not really doing what the bottle says. Everybody needs the ABCs of skincare. So you need your vitamin a, which is your retinol products, b, which is your broad spectrum sunscreen, and your c is Welcome back, Bare Face Podcast. Brittany Rowe, my beautiful wife is here. Hello. And we're gonna go through some quick fire questions, kinda give you some details that we may not have before, but we're gonna go over a lot of the top Googled questions and give our answers based on our twenty plus years of experience in the med spa industry. You ready? Let's do it. Alright. So we'll go right into it. Why would skincare be making someone's face worse? Okay. Typically, if your skin doesn't seem to be getting better and you just keep using products and you keep trying all of these different things, usually, we're just using products that are way too harsh, maybe using too many products, switching product lines or types of products before we even give them a chance to to work. So typically, I find that especially product junkies, the girls who just love to go shopping at Sephora and just grab stuff and they're just excited to try a new product, typically strip their barrier so bad that their skin is like in freak out mode and we have to just pull it back, go back to the basics, calm everything down, and slowly start introducing products. So typically, it's because you like to shop too much. And now we have too many ingredients being introduced into the skin. So then what would be causing the ace like, what would be causing someone's skin to be aging the fastest you've got? Sun exposure, smoking, stress, not wearing sunscreen Mhmm. Out of those, what what is really causing the most damage, the most aging? So excessive sun exposure is definitely going to be a huge trigger, especially in Arizona. We have a ton of sun exposure just like out and about. We're just walking to get the mail and now we are not wearing our sunscreen and we're not protecting our skin. So therefore, we're kind of getting that exposure without thinking about it. We think, oh, if I'm at the pool or if I'm by the beach, need to wear sunscreen, but truly you need to be wearing it all the time. And then, yes, take it like to your lifestyle. If you're drinking excessively, smoking excessively, stressing excessively, not sleeping, anything in excess that's putting stress onto the body obviously is going to age our skin. We're going to notice laxity, sunspots, dark circles, all of the above or, you know, you also get adult acne. So you get to deal with that again as you're also dealing with antiaging. So that's always a fun conversation to have. So And then going into the laxity part of it, let's say I've got bags under my eyes. What would be kind of the best way to go about correcting something like that? That's a hard one. Bags under the eyes, typically lasers can work if they're excessive or we're talking about true like fat pads, that's probably more surgical. If we're talking darkness, under eye filler, some good eye creams, again microneedling lasers, anything to kinda thicken up that epidermis. Typically when you're seeing darkness it's just thin skin. You can see the vascularity under that area so we just need to plump that skin back up. If you're having true bags, one, let's look at lifestyle. Are we sleeping? Do we need to maybe do some lymphatic drainage just to like kinda pull some of that out or are we truly talking true like genetic bags? If men or women if it's different for bags under the eyes for men or women, I would say no. It's pretty typical. Guys are more probably because of lack of sleep. Right. But treatment wise, yeah. Would say. Treatment wise, yeah. We just it usually is, again, just going back to genetics your everyday habits again. Are you sleeping? Are you drinking enough water? That kind of stuff. We just need to build that collagen under the eyes. Okay. And let's go with this last one is, say, women 40. What's the biggest skin skin care mistake that women 40 make? I would say the biggest mistake is not taking care of your skin, thinking that you can still treat your skin like you did in your late teens, early twenties. Not wearing sunscreen is a huge mistake. It's never too late to start taking care of your skin. Overexfoliating, so just like scrubbing, you don't have that thick barrier like you did when you were younger. You don't have excess amount of oil anymore either. So typically, you're stripping your oils, you're kind of looking dull, and you think, oh, well, I probably just need to exfoliate more. So over exfoliation, I would say is a huge mistake over 40. But really just you need to find products for your now mature skin as much as I don't wanna use that word because I am also over 40. But you have to treat your skin properly for your age range and knowing the ingredients that work best. Start using retinol, wear your sunscreen, start there, but probably see an aesthetician. It's time to start taking care of your skin, getting those microneedlings done. So what it kinda sounds like you're talking about is more consistency over intensity. It's better to say I'm gonna do something consistently for a year versus I'm gonna do two or three big things and then I'm not gonna take care of my skin the rest of the time. Are we talking about for treatments? Treatments at home care. So when I talk about consistency over intensity, this is a lot of what I talk about in the consults as well, is that you're looking for something to say, fix me now, like surgery. Mhmm. And everything's gonna be great. I can still go back to my lifestyle, terrible skincare. Right. So Definitely, we want to work together. I'm not asking you to change your entire life. Absolutely not. But we do need to find things that work within your lifestyle. So if you're like, I can only handle three products. Okay. I'm gonna find you the best three products that we can do. But also making sure that the treatments that we're doing are also going to steer the boat in the right direction. I want to make sure that everything we're doing gets us to the goal. And if your goal is, I, you know, have a kid getting married in a few months and I wanna look the best I can, okay, we're gonna go as aggressive as we can for that amount of time. However, after that, we're still going to want to treat our skin. We still want to look nice. Now you see what your skin can look like. We're gonna back off a little bit. We're gonna do maintenance treatments, whatever that looks like for that person. But the products that you use at home will by far get you to your results faster. So if you can't be consistent using your products at home, there's only so much we can do in the treatment room. It doesn't matter how aggressive of a treatment we do. Technically speaking, the more aggressive we go with the treatments we do in the office and you're not using product at home, a lot more things can go sideways. So Right. You're kinda giving yourself a reset and now I'm gonna start using product now that I've gotten my face lasered off. Mhmm. And now we're gonna maintain and take care of that Right. Issue. So so let's just say women in their let's stick with the same thing in their forties. What are say the top with the forties old ladies in their forties using skincare products. What are the, say, the top three that everyone has to have? Everybody needs the ABCs of skincare. So you need your vitamin a, which is your retinol products. You need b, which is your broad spectrum sunscreen, and your c is your vitamin c. I feel that that is just kind of a good basic routine for everybody. I can get into what that kind of looks like individually because I am a little bougie on vitamin c. Not all vitamin c's are created equally. However, generally speaking, let's say it's a good vitamin c. It's a great antioxidant for your skin. So within those ABCs, we are protecting our skin against the elements, by using sunscreen. We are, turning over our skin cells. We're brightening the skin. We're helping with pigment. We're helping with antiaging by using our retinols and vitamin c packed with antioxidants. It's great for brightening, it's great for aging, it's good for breakouts, it's kind of an all around product. So those are definitely going to be the first three that I start you on And then we'll kind of adjust from there depending on our goals. So if we need to work on more pigment, we're gonna kind of look at a pigment inhibitor or we're gonna look at more hydration, look at some hyaluronic acids, different things like that. Custom. Yeah. But I like to start everybody there for the most part and kinda go from there. Okay. So we do have clients that come in and tell us what their skincare routine is. Mhmm. Sometimes we can educate them and put them into something that is actually going to work. Other times, clients will come in and give us their routine, and it's kinda like deer in the headlights, and there's nothing you can do to change them. What's the strangest skincare product or routine that you've had? She's gonna laugh because she does watch this, and she already gave me permission to talk about it, but I Is it coconut? No. Okay. Anyway. I had a client ask the other day because she saw a TikTok asking if she could use Vagisil on her face. I was like, you can do whatever you'd like. You're brave enough. Your face. I didn't quite understand the logic behind it. She wanted to use it as a cleanser. I was like, let's maybe walk over to the retail wall and we'll look at some other options. Anyway, so we now have her on a different product. That was just the most recent one. That was really funny. Actually, yesterday, I like fell out of my chair because I heard one of our stylist talking they were talking about Noxzema, which I didn't even know was still I don't know. Maybe it's better than it used to be. I remember it burned the crap out of my skin when I was a kid. But yeah. People using toothpaste, people extracting their own pimples with a pair of scissors. What else have I heard? I mean, people will try anything to have good skin to clear acne. I get it. We get really desperate and so you get influenced to try a lot of things. So we definitely have heard some wild stories down to I just don't do anything. I mean Alcohol, a bar soap. Body wash on their face. That's most guys. That's okay. Yeah? It is not not okay. Yeah. Hand soap or sorry, hand well, hand soap. I actually heard that a lot. Just using hand soap on their face or, you know, using I think your grandma actually told me she uses her hand lotion as her moisturizer. I fixed that, but I was like, alright, grandma. We don't need to do that anymore. If your skin could complain about something, what would it usually complain about? Let's say let's just take Arizona in general in our weather, our summers. If your skin could complain about something, it would be not protecting it against the sun. I kind of use the analogy, no other organ would we, like, take out and go lay on a lounge chair and go bake it in the sun for hours. Like, could you imagine doing that to any other organ? We forget that our skin is an organ. So, yes, our skin is meant to withstand the sun. Everything in small dosages, I think, is safe. I don't wanna, like, fearmonger against the sun. It's the amount of sun. You wouldn't take your liver out and go cover it in oil and go lay it, you know. However, I think that that would be the biggest thing, like, protect your skin. It's so hot here. And hydration, because we just don't get enough hydration in Arizona. So protect and hydrate. Okay. That was huge for me when I started using skincare at home more consistently. I wish somebody would have told me a long time ago only he had a wife that was an aesthetician, she could have let him know and maybe buy him product and set it out on the counter. Well, I have a lot of it in my sink now. But, yeah. I started using it pretty consistently. That's when you really notice a difference. So Yeah. Yeah. When you're trying to use something and and twenty days goes by and you're like, well, I don't see a difference. That's not the purpose. It's to maintain to the point where you don't know what you would have looked like had you not been using it, but you can look around. Mhmm. You can look at old pictures. You can look at other people that are aging along with you and see and you really see the difference. So I think a lot of it is just question for you. Yep. Since you're a dude. What do you find to be the biggest, like, battle against skincare? Why Products. Why did it take me so long to get you to use them consistently? What is it? Despite. Oh. Yeah. Mostly just didn't want to because you told me to. Okay. That's I don't know. I think it's just another thing to add to your routine and most men, I don't think their routine consists of much. Shave, shower. Get on. So Get off of the day. So now that you are using multiple products in the morning, realistically, Yeah. How long does it take you to apply the products that I have for you? And I believe I have you on like three serums. So I'm on Promax Pigment Gel Pro, b three Brightening, and Xlinia Sunscreen? Sunscreen. So that's five different products. It takes me less than thirty seconds to put all of those on. Thank you. That's it. So you can mix like Technology accepted. You mix your serums together, bam, throw your Xlinia on, just kind of like, you know, your fine line correction, and then always end with your sunscreen. The sunscreen I use is actually green. It's like a recovery Elta MD. Mhmm. So it actually will diffuse the redness in my face, and it's odd. It's like leaving your house without a cell phone now. When I leave the house and I hadn't put anything on or I forgot or whatever happened out of routine, I'll go right back in and put it on. Alright. So we'll go into that then client transformations. I have a permanent makeup one, but maybe Yeah. No. Yeah. So I had a client that was needing to she was wanting brows. She had brows, but she was found out that she had cancer and she was going in for chemo. So she asked me to microblade or or do nano browse under what's already existing there because she knew she was going to lose her eyebrows. And so we went in, we did all the work that we needed to do, and she left, came back several weeks later, and she was almost in tears because when she was telling me the story, when she went in to get those things done, she had lost her hair, and the nurses, doctors, other patients there were just continually commenting on how good her brows looked. And That had to have made her feel so good. It made her feel great. And I actually got a couple extra clients out of it too from her kind of sharing that story. But just the story of her coming back and telling me how much that helped with her confidence and get her Yeah. Through the process just because she had brows. And had we not done that, either we would have had to do it later and redraw them somehow or she just wouldn't have had any. It wouldn't have looked as we were actually able to keep what she had prior when she lost her brow hair. She still had brows that looked nice and wispy and natural where that was the question she was getting is why was the hair falling out but her brows were not. Mhmm. And she was having to explain that it was actually a permanent tattoo. Tattoo. I think that's something that's so maybe not talked about enough in our industry. We we, me and you, don't typically fall into the norm, I feel like, as med spa owners. We don't necessarily get we don't like the overly done. Like, it's really easy to when you have access to everything to kinda go overboard a little bit and kind of, I don't know, cause your judgment a little bit. And we especially, like, love working on clients in that type of situation. Something that is like, you changed her life in that moment. Like, that was I mean, I can't only imagine what her confidence felt like. I think that's what we kind of lean on more is like the emotional part of it more. Yes. We can make you look, you know, beautiful. You're already beautiful. Like, we're enhancing things, that kind of stuff. But, like, how are we making them feel? I think that that is way more important than, like, overdone face, overdone lips, all of that kind of stuff. And so I think it's really important when we're doing these. I'm always like asking clients like, what is our goal? What are do we have, like I said before, a wedding coming up? Is it, you know, cancer treatments? Are we just in a I don't know. Like, people like to do things to to treat themselves and I think that that makes a huge difference in the way that we treat clients a little different than maybe others may. Had a client even she had a wedding, her son's wedding a year from the day that I did her consultation and we did a series of c o two treatments. She's in her late sixties, maybe early seventies. Did a series of c o two treatments and some some at home care. And when she finally got around to she was already excited before the wedding, getting compliments. And when she got back from the wedding, she was telling me the same thing. It's like the amount of compliments she was getting and she wasn't asking for them, she wasn't telling anyone, she had stuff done. Mhmm. But it was so natural and it was just her younger that people were stunned. So she told me that story too. But she actually looked 15, twenty years younger. Yeah. Just with some some basic laser treatments. So, like, given that lady though, what would you say she was wanting results over the course of a year? So she had good expectations. She said That's like ideal. I had Ideal client. Call me the other day and you can answer this question. But I had a had a lady call me and she said, well, I have an event on Saturday. It was Thursday. And she said, what can you do for me to make all this better? Yeah. And I said Nothing. Nothing. I can give you a You can get a HydraFacial, and it'll give you a glow, but you're not getting any anti aging treatments. Yeah. You have two days. So there's two very much extremes on expectations. What what do people want results quickly on? Mhmm. But you have to lay those expectations out that this what you're wanting is going to take time. Hyperpigmentation and acne, I feel like are the biggest conversations around that where I have to be like, okay, let's slow down here a second. Like, I cannot get rid of your acne in one treatment. I cannot clear up your pigment in one treatment. And really having to kinda get into the science of how the skin works and why we're here in the first place and why it's gonna take time to kind of get there. And I think the reason being is they're uncomfortable. Like, they don't feel confident. Like, their skin may be physically painful. Like, they might just be really uncomfortable with acne. So obviously, they want a quick fix. And I would say those are the conversations I find the most where I'm like, okay. This is we're in this together, but it's not gonna be quick. We have to work together on your treatments, your at home, your daily habits. Right. And then we have you still have those clients that are like, I want this result, but I'm not willing to get this product or that product. I don't wanna use this. I don't really know if I need three of those. Can we just do one? And so now they start negotiating with you on Yeah. What they want, and they figure they know how to get to those results better. On their own. And so, actually, with those clients, we usually end up turning them away because they're not they're never going to be happy with whatever it is that we're offering. And I won't dumb it down because they won't be happy with the results. Right. And so At the end of the day, right, like, that's we're that's how everybody is. We all want that. Right? We everybody wants like a beach body, but nobody wants to go to the gym. That's just not how it works. So, yeah, skincare is no different. We have to it takes time. We have to work. You have to have consistency. And so it would be nice if I had a magic wand, but unfortunately, I do not. So Well, you have 30 But I have a lot of lasers, and that's pretty close. Thirty to forty years of damage, and they're like, how quickly can we get rid of this? Yeah. It's not gonna take thirty or forty years to get rid of. Give me some time. And then the other thing is you get them these amazing results and they forget. So I mean, how often do you sit in consultations and you're doing their follow-up photos and, you know, we put them back in our skin analysis machine and you're like, look, what I just I mean, this happened just the other day and I had like 80% improvements in I think we did three so let's say three months with antiaging pigments and hydration. And she was like, oh, wow. Totally forgot, you know, because you see yourself every day. So Everyone forgets. We all forget. It's Thirty days later, people are like, I don't know if it really worked. I don't know if I got the result. And then you have to show them the picture that you took when they came to see you in the first place. They're like, woah. It's night and day. Yeah. So So what what would out of we'll go we'll do the last one on products. But what is a product that people are buying and it's just they're just burning money? Not necessarily a product, but an ingredient that I think most people are wasting money on is vitamin c and it is one of my favorite ingredients as I mentioned. However, if you are not buying a good quality vitamin c, you're just buying a fancy bottle. So vitamin c, it's very unstable. It breaks down very quickly. So once it's exposed to light water air, it's not really doing what the bottle says. It might have been vitamin c going in, but it's just kind of not anymore. It's not going to be as strong as it needs to be to do what it's promising. So I would say that that's a big one. Anytime I see a TikTok video and they have their little dropper bottle and they take the little wand out and they like, you know, and it like melts down their face, I'm like so annoyed. One, that's dirty. Don't touch your face and put product put your wand back in. That's gross. But more importantly, that vitamin c is not doing anything for you, unfortunately, because it's just as expensive as the good stuff. So that's one. And then we have like gadgets example. But like like, let's take the the one that sucks the There's stuff out of your nose. Yeah. I was gonna say there's a new one I just saw on TikTok and I knock TikTok products, watch TikTok a lot. But there is like a at home HydraFacial machine now and it's supposed to suck the product out while infusing hydration. No. No. HydraFacial or any of those types of like professional HydroDerms, they're using high quality ingredients to break down the skin and the oil at the same time as the suction. So it's not literally just sucking the the pores clean. So when I see those kind of gimmicky products, I would say be careful, you're about ready to give yourself a hickey. And you can very easily break open your skin, you can cause a lot of capillary damage, give yourself a nice little bruise across your face. So I would say that is like a dud at home LED masks, I think are great as long as you're using them consistency consistently. So there are good products and gadgets that you can use at home. I'm not knocking all of them, But at home lasers, not gonna happen. At home hydro facial machines, not gonna happen. I don't know. IPLs at home? No. Maybe it's compared to, well, I'm gonna go and, you know, do some DIY around the house. I'm gonna do my own electrical work. Yeah. And then you realize it's out of code. You light your house on fire or it just sits there and doesn't actually get finished. Yeah. As opposed to going and seeing someone or hiring a professional Yeah. To come and just do it, make it right, make it good. There are great thing you can you can do like I said, you can do LED, like masks, like red light therapies. That's great. You can do that. That's a DIY at home. Go crazy. You can do that daily. It's not gonna hurt your skin. Some other stuff needs to be left to the professionals. Yeah. And you could be like, same thing with the electrician example is you could be doing something and causing a problem elsewhere that you don't even know you're causing, and that happens in skin care and other, you know, medical aesthetic Yeah. Procedures all the time. Yep. And then we have to fix them. Okay. Do more. That is true. So Yes. Good. So I have a little question for you then. Typically speaking, how long does permanent makeup last? So we'll talk specifically about brows. Brows are gonna last the shape itself in traditional permanent makeup is gonna last you about two to five years before you need a touch up. The shape itself will last you forever. But what happens is you end up getting the warm tones leave, you end up with this the cool tones behind. That's why you get kind of that ash brown color. Mhmm. So I have clients that come in sometimes once a year just to get a a freshen up, make it pop again. But typically between the two and five year mark is your touch up range. Yeah. For those eyeliner is about every seven to fifteen years. A good range there. I've had my eyeliner touched up once, I believe. Twenty five years. And it was yeah. I had mine done when I was 18 and I'm Just after World War two? And I'm only 19 now, so Perfect. World War two? Perfect. Rude. Yeah. So lips. Lips are a little bit less. And it's not that they go away, it's just that you think all the color is gone. I just did one today where that was the case and we had to show an old photo versus what she came in with after two years. And it's still there. It's still 60% there. It's just that Yep. The boldness of it fades a little bit. But she had no border at all on her lips. When When you started. Showed her that photo from two years ago, she forgot. Yeah. She didn't have a border. And so, it was more of that, instead of her coming in in two years and saying, well, it's all gone. Let's start over. It's like, no, now you have a really good base color. It's faded to a point where it's time for a touch up. It up, make it bold again. And then she's got probably another two I'd say the lips are the same, two to five years, but the tolerance level is just up to you. Do you find that especially brows, but I guess lips as well, people who are not wearing sunscreen consistently, their color fading faster if they're like way more sun exposed? Yep. So the sunscreen on your brows, if you can do it consistently, it'll probably get you an extra year or two out of them because the UV rays are what causes some of the warm tones to break down and leave your skin. And so it'll actually cause them to go cooler faster. Number seven, our most Googled question, I guess. Yeah. Go ahead. Can laser treatments really reverse aging? Laser treatments can make you look younger. In some cases, yes. There were some studies with IPLs where they actually did genetically reverse some of those genes. Those are still being studied. But as far as laser actually making you younger, not really. It will help you grow collagen, last, and it'll kind of reinvigorate some of the things in your body that have gone dormant. It's not gonna reverse you, but those things will wake back up. Yeah. So your ability to grow collagen, your ability to grow elastin, your ability to heal, your ability just to have that that overall rejuvenation will come back as if you were in your twenties or thirties again, but it's not going to actually reverse your age. Unfortunately. How many years do you think lasers can take off? Like, cosmetically. Well, I'll take the average client that I have probably sixty to 70 in that range. It'll take ten to fifteen years pretty confidently, some more. What is the first thing that clients notice? Let's say they do a series of c o twos, even after the first treatment. This is what I always hear, but I'm just interested what your answer is. That they come back and they're like, this was the first thing I noticed. The pigmentation Mhmm. Is the first thing always. Yeah. Those are the those are the most standout pieces. And then just the texture. That's probably number two. Is that a lot of the softer fine lines have disappeared completely. Mhmm. A lot of the wrinkles have diminished. A lot of times they'll have a glow back to their face again. If you have a lot of pigment or texture in your face, you're refracting and you're absorbing light. You're not actually pushing it back out to someone else's eye eyes. And so I talk to clients about that all the time is that when you as soon as you get rid of a lot of the pigmentation and a lot of the texture that's refracting light in different directions as it's bouncing off your face, if you can get that to be more like glass and not a lot of pigmentation to it, it'll reflect light back into the person that you're talking to, which then immediately makes you look mhmm. Full, cleaner, confident, the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I always have clients like, my skin's so soft. Like, it just feels nice. And so, I think that that makes a big difference too. It's just when you go to apply your products, everything just feels nicer. So So we're gonna get into some quick fire. But first off, I wanna mention that Britney was in a commercial. I don't know when it'll air. Like a commercial like that it's not gonna be on TV. Maybe Hulu, like maybe those watches TV anyway. It's true. It's on TikTok. Yeah. So I was asked to do I guess you could call it a commercial. I guess that's what it is. Like an advertisement. I had to sign a talent agreement, which I thought was kind of funny. But, yeah, for PCA skin, so that was really a fun experience. They kinda gave me one product that we specifically talked about the entire time, which was really fun to do. It kinda made me dive deep into the science a little bit more on this product that I I don't know if I'm allowed to talk, like, specific of what treatment or product it was yet. But, anyways, so I didn't ask those questions. But it was a really fun experience. I will say I am very hard on myself, and so I called them back, like, I think two or three times and told them, if you want me to redo it, I totally will because of course in my mind, I bombed and, you know, I was just in my head about it, but they said I did a great job. So and I haven't got a callback to redo anything, so I guess they liked it. But, yeah, that was a fun experience. I've been asked a few times to speak for PCA Skin and that's always a fun treat when because I thought this was something that they were doing kind of all over the country with a lot of other aestheticians. And they're like, no, just you. And I was like, oh, well, was kinda cool. So, yeah, that was that was a new experience. I had never done I had never done anything like that. It was kinda like a big Zoom call, I guess. It was me standing there filming myself with my camera, but there was, like, directors and stuff on the other side of the camera and kind of, like, asking me questions and telling me to do retakes and technology, man. They were in New York. I was here. It was pretty neat. So, yeah. That was just Alright. Another thing to push me out of my comfort zone because he's the chatty one of the of the group. So like to speak, but You do. I'm letting yeah. You're you're you're doing an amazing job. You ready? Uh-huh. Go. What's the number one reason permanent makeup doesn't heal the way clients expect? Bad aftercare. What's the biggest permanent makeup myth you hear every week? That it is going to be black or gray and it's gonna look like McDonald's arches. What's something clients worry about that never actually happens? The pain. It's very comfortable. What's something clients don't worry about that they should? Aftercare. Okay. How do you know if someone's brows are are overdone? When you look at them, you look away from them and try to talk at their forehead and not their brows. When you wanna like lick it off. Yeah. Usually, they're just drawn on too thick. Yeah. That's all. What makes brows look natural versus obviously tattooed brows? Wispy hair strokes, nano needles, micro blades, anything you can get thin and sparse to make them look like small hairs. Is or what is the skin type that's most challenging for permanent makeup? Or is there one? Yeah. Redheads Mhmm. And type fives and sixes. And to the normal Look it up. Watching this. Dark skin types are difficult because the colors will heal a lot differently under the skin. Still can be done. Just a little bit more time. Yeah. They're just difficult. In your opinion, are nano brows replacing ombre brows? Nano brows have been around since the beginning of permanent makeup. They just get called different things and when better tools come out, then they Yeah. Call them nano or they might call them micro, I don't know, at some point, pico brows because the needles will get smaller. Those change the name, but it's hair stroke brow versus a makeup look. And so the client, everybody calls it microblading No matter what. I know. That's just the term that everybody uses. What is the biggest mistake artists make when designing brows? Like, so brows that you have corrected, which you do a lot of correction. More or over half of what I do is corrective work. The biggest mistake an artist will make is one they don't predraw. They don't listen to their client as to what they want. And they try to do everything in the very first treatment and not giving themselves some grace for the follow-up treatment to do the finalized work. Yeah. Less is more, less is better on that first one. Should clients bring inspiration photos? You can. It doesn't mean we're gonna do it. Your face is not you know, you don't have the face of that celebrity. Your brows are gonna look totally different on your structure Yep. Than theirs. Yep. We can give you an idea though of what we are trying to attain. Okay. Nano or ombre? Your personal. Nano. Thin or thick brows? Not thick, full. In the middle k. Of those two things. Natural or glam? Natural. Do you prefer brow doing brows or eyeliner? Brows have the biggest impact, but I I love them both. Sharp tails or soft tails? Depends on your face. That's that's they both look great. It just depends on your face. The scary is this question. Mapping or freehand? I do both. Map first and then I freehand based on I have them close their eyes, open their eyes, relax, raise your brows, move around, look sad, look happy. Oh, I see. All of these. And then I free draw from there. So we get our core shape down. But you're still drawing. Yeah. No. Don't freehand. I read it as freehand and I'm like, that's terrifying. Okay. There's your rapid fire. You guys know everything you need to know now. There you go. Get your brass tattooed. Alright. Fast one. You ready? Yep. This is a skin care rapid fire. What is the most common skin care mistake you see? Not using sunscreen. What is what is the most overrated skin care ingredient? Ingredient? Pass? I I have one too, but I don't want to get into it. Snail mucus. Oh, I was gonna say beef tallow, which I know we have different opinions on. But I would say beef tallow because most of the time it's not actually beef tallow. Right. What's the most underrated skin care ingredient? Retinol. I agree. What's one product people waste money on? Makeup wipes. Throw them out. Terrible for your skin. What's one product people should spend more money on? Corrective serums. Save your money on your cleansers, put your money into your serums. 100%. Is SPF really nonnegotiable? Really, really. What's worse, sleeping in makeup or not wearing sunscreen? Not wearing sunscreen. I guess it depends on actually the client. Depends on your ailment. What's the biggest skin care myth on social media? That you should follow social media. Perfect. What's one skin care habit that ages people faster? Again, I think we're back to the sunscreen or over exfoliation. Okay. Can you actually reverse skin damage? You could reverse sun damage. Yeah. Okay. What's the first sign of aging you notice? Pigment. What's the biggest skin concern people should address sooner? Loss of collagen. What's better, a great home routine or occasional treatments? Great home routine. How long should people try a product before giving up? Three months. What's the biggest skin care mistake women 50 make? I think oh, just not using a retinol. Not using a retinol? What's the biggest skin care mistake women in their twenties make? Not wearing sunscreen. Perfect. What's the biggest This is a whole podcast about wearing sunscreen. Just wear sunscreen and we don't even need to talk. What's the biggest skin care mistake that men make? Not One word. One word answer. Go. Sunscreen. Sunscreen. Not doing anything at all. No. Listening to their wives. Alright. Let's do this last part, really fast. So this is our either or. Lightning round. Healthy skin or perfect skin? Healthy. Hydration or exfoliation? Hydration. Vitamin c or retinol? I got you on that one. Retinol. Just liar. Laser or microneedling? Safe answer, microneedle. Chemical peel or facial? Chemical peel. SPF or moisturizer? SPF. Really? Just kidding. Prevention or correction? Prevention. Skin quality or wrinkle reduction? Skin quality? One great product or 10 average products. One great product. And what is that product? Retinol and sunscreen. That's two. That's two. But you can't use one without the other. Well, you can use It's product. No. Awesome. Don't do that. Sorry. Don't do that. So should we be wearing sunscreen every day or just like when we go to lake or the pool or the thing. In the state of Arizona, we are getting more unintentional sun than most people get in other states intentionally. So think about just walking the dog, going to the mail, driving in your car. If you have plants in your home that are living, you clearly are getting plenty of UV rays through your windows. So we are bombarded. We are I can't remember what? Three hundred and something days of sun a year in Arizona. So even though you're not laying by the pool and you're not, you know, intentionally getting sun, you're not golfing or something like that, you are still getting sun all the time and it will age you quickly. Obviously, we know the risks of melanoma. But, yes, you can get sun through windows, which is why this was just a conversation earlier today, why pilots have such a high risk of, skin cancer because they are in front of a window right in front of the sun all day long. So, yes, you have to wear sunscreen every day. It nothing will slow down the aging process faster than wearing sunscreen every day. And, of course, the sunscreen that, like, is designed for the face if we're talking about the face. But, yeah. A good sunscreen. Not a, you know, go to Walmart. And honestly, if you go to Walmart and buy a sunscreen, it's not gonna be, like, probably my favorite product for you and it might make you break out and there's other things we could talk about. But I would still rather you do that than nothing. Better than nothing. And you can still get a tan with sunscreen. Yep. And you're get your vitamin d. What are the youth called now? Are they gen x, z, y? No idea. I think we've got back around. Youngins. A or b. Everybody that's watching the UV index this summer, and that's like a big thing right now too. Like, what's the UV index? And they're like laying out because it's a certain number. Put your sunscreen on. If you wanna go in a tanning bed, which I recommend you not, put your sunscreen on before you go into the tanning bed. You will still activate your melanocytes. You will still get a tan. The skin is designed to do that. We are protecting it from the UVA, your aging rays, and UVB, your burning rays, and UVC, your cancerous rays. So you can still protect it and you can still get a nice glow and you can still get your vitamin d absorption. You probably won't burn in the sun because you have darker skin, but you are still susceptible to cancer and and aging. Like, you could probably be outside a lot longer and not have any symptoms of a sunburn, but a tan even is a sign of sun damage. So I would say, like, 35 would be a good like SPF and something that's comfortable. Like if it doesn't feel good on your skin, if it makes you feel like I hear a lot of men say they don't like to wear sunscreen because it they feel sweaty or it feels like thick, you know, they don't like the feeling of anything. So you need to find something that you feel comfortable in that you'll actually wear every day. I won't like blow your mind even more letting you know sunscreen only lasts eighty minutes and it needs to be reapplied. Every sunscreen bottle will tell you this. To be fair, if you are just doing this every day and you're inside, if you apply it before in the morning, I would say you're doing better than most and you're protecting your skin a lot. If you are out in the sun and you're definitely like, you're golfing, you're by the pool, whatever, you're gonna be outside gardening, whatever, yes, you have to reapply every eighty minutes. Sunscreen does have, it kind of maxes out, especially if you're gonna be in the water because you're rinsing it off after a certain amount of time. Well, and I'll give you a quick rundown. So if you're using a traditional chemical sunscreen, which usually those are the cheaper versions, What happens is when the UV rays and the heat hit your skin, that chemical that's in the sunscreen is going to basically it kind of expands and then goes back and expands and goes back. It's dispersing a lot of those UV damaged rays, and then at that point, it's used up. It's done its job. So that's why you would want to reapply when you are in the sun a lot more. Now, you get a sunscreen that has a chemical barrier and a physical barrier, now you've got it a whole another huge layer of protection. Like your chemical sunscreens are kind of like absorbing the rays kind of think like a sponge and then dispersing where your physical barriers think like zinc oxide, that kind of stuff are just getting, you know, they're like bouncing off a little bit. But, yes, you do need to reapply. And I would actually say the biggest I don't know if we're still rolling here, but the biggest sunscreen issue, I think, is people not using the right amount of sunscreen. So there is a dose that you're supposed to be using based on the area that you're applying it. So if you're just applying it to your face, think like products that, you know, like two fingers of product like you're you know, like squirted out. That would be what would cover your face. I don't have the breakdown off the top of my head, but when you're applying to your body, I wanna say I wanna say it's like an ounce, like a shot glass if I remember correctly. I'm kinda going off the top of my head there, but yeah. So the amount like we it's like a medication. Right? You have to take the right dose to actually have it do its job. Something that freaking stresses me out when I am especially at the beach, whole time we were in Mexico, was, like, complaining about it the entire time. If you are using spray sunscreen on a windy day, nothing is getting on your skin. I'm just seeing people sit there and just spray their kids, and it's, like, not even touching their skin and it's just bouncing off. Spray sunscreen does need to be rubbed in and it actually has to hit your skin to be able to do something and most people do not apply near enough of a spray. There are harmful ingredients that have been found in sunscreen. I would say okay. So I don't know. Around ten years ago, I could be off of my timeline, it was not regulated. Sunscreen was not regulated. So you could go to the store and you could buy an SPF 25 and an SPF and they would not be equivalent to the coverage that they would give you. Right? They weren't regulated. They are definitely regulated now. There have been, ingredients that have been found harmful just like anything in the world. Right? So those have been removed. I would say your better sunscreens, your, like professional use sunscreens, are gonna be much better. They're on top of those trends a little bit faster. But I feel like that could be a whole episode on its own just talking about to that point. I think there's a lot of fear around it. I don't think the sun is typically bad for you. I can't think that the thing that kinda gives us all life and grows and all of that is also killing us. I don't agree with that. However, I mean, we could really go down a rabbit hole, but I think the foods we eat, the amount of inflammation we have in our bodies mixed with the excessiveness of sun and then not protecting it, that is where you can become cancerous because people get skin cancer in areas that and we don't have to put all this in. But people get skin cancer in areas that never see the sun. So clearly, it's not just the sun. Right? There's just inflammation in our bodies. I don't think you're going down a rabbit hole. A 100% in agreeance that when you combine those things Yeah. That's where you end up getting in trouble. What would I use? I love EltaMD. Their sun screens are superior. I I love the way they feel. They have a lot of different options. So that's why I like them because I feel like I can find something for everybody that will feel comfortable on them and they'll use and they have additional ingredients. So we have ones for acne and aging and hydration. So like it's like also correcting their skin care issues. So that's why I like Elta. If you're on a budget, well, any skin care. So or any sunscreen will have this also. But there are a few over the counter sunscreens. If you turn them around, there'll be a little label on the back and it'll say recommended by the skin cancer foundation. It's like a little circle thing. Little emblem. At least we know that those have been tested tried and true. They've gone above and beyond your FDA approvals and testing. So as long as you have that, I believe Banana Boat is one that not all of their sunscreens, but a lot of their sunscreens will have that little. So it's not necessarily a brand. It's a specific, you know, product in a certain in a line of SPFs. Well, they're just they're they've gotten to the lowest bar and said, here's our sunscreen. And they haven't really done like, there's companies that do third party testing just to ensure purity and in different products. That's kind of if they whoever takes the the next few steps to ensure. So the thing is, too, is that, yeah, if you're on a severe budget, it's better than nothing. But honestly, when you get into Ulta's products, that to me is considered a budget product. I mean, we can get a a nice sunscreen for $35, but you're not using it all over your body. That's a facial sunscreen. Mhmm. Get Banana Boat, get your other, you know, whatever ingredients Do you have a body one? And use those on your body for when you're out and about or, know, you're gonna be, you know, the lake pool, whatever, but use the Elta on your face. Yeah. And that'll last you there are facial ones, there's body ones. Yeah. So the face ones that we sell at our office, yeah, they'll last you about three months. They're dosed properly. One pump is gonna be a dose for your face. We do have body ones. Anybody that has been swimming at our house will know. I literally have a gallon jug Yeah. Of Elta sunscreen. It has, like, the big, like, pump on it. Plus, I don't know, 10 other bottles of sunscreen. So I love Elta. I love their products. I love how they feel. They're easy to use. They've never given anybody, like, any scent sensitivities. We took it to Mexico. Other than my one son who did get burnt, nobody else got burnt or even pink, but he got burnt for other reasons because he doesn't listen. He can only do so much. So you're talking about premium best sunscreen less than $7 a month if you break it down for how long it's gonna last you. Mhmm. And how much is $7 a month worth to keep your skin from aging at a rapid pace. Yeah. But more importantly, when you're especially out in the sun a lot, you do, it's you can have a a more cost effective, if that's the word you wanna use, sunscreen. As long as you are using it properly, you're dosing it properly, you're reapplying it the way you need to, making sure it does have that little emblem on it. You're good. Yeah. 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